From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Nov 24 13:30:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 24 Nov 2001 21:30:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 63908 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2001 21:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2001 21:30:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.226) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2001 21:30:53 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:30:53 -0800 Received: from 24.232.1.206 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:30:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.232.1.206] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Even simple texts are difficult Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:30:53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Nov 2001 21:30:53.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BCE5290:01C1752F] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la aulun cusku di'e >As far I understand the grammar, modals just can precede sumti, but not >selbri (or am I wrong?), so I didn't regard {noi ni'a barda >ckune} as being grammatical. {ni'a} is a tense, it can precede a selbri, but {ni'a ckune} does not mean "x1 is under a connifer". It means "x1 is a connifer under something". Also, modals, like all tags, can precede a selbri as well as a sumti. When preceding a selbri, the effect is usually the same as preceding a sumti which is understood from context (the glaring exceptions to this being ba'o and pu'o). > > >.imu'ibo ledo patfu pu va se raktu la nin mygregor. lenu ri setca ra lo > > >pilstasu > > > > I'm not sure {va} works for "there" in this case. "There" here > > means "the place I just mentioned", not some distance from Mrs > > Rabbit. > >It's the (medium) distance from the *speaker*, no? Yes, Mrs Rabbit was the speaker. > > >.i mi klama fi le zdani li'u > > >I'm going out" > > > > > >good > > > > > >(add to previous word "god") > > > > > >that's terrible... > >i. ki'a zoigy. god gy. good god, that's terrible... mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp