From pycyn@aol.com Sat Nov 24 16:04:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 00:04:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 52189 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 00:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 00:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 00:04:55 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.82.139423d5 (4068) for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:04:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82.139423d5.29318fa0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:04:48 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] presentation of lojban To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.139423d5.29318fa0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_82.139423d5.29318fa0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/2001 11:21:05 AM Central Standard Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes: > But how old was the language at that time? Personally, I would date modern > Lojban from the loglan/lojban split, which IIRC makes it about 12 years old. > And the first person to confront Lojbab speaking Lojban was probably not a > club member, as I don't beleive there was a mailing list or wiki yet. > She was, of course, insofar as there was a club. and so were the next half-dozen or so. The usual story about the first Esperantit is that he turned up a Zamenhof's door six weeks after the outline of Esperanto appeared. It would be harder to say about Lojban because the first people to speak it were people involved in creating it and thus they were making it as they spoke in many cases. I don't know who the first external person might be, but we could probably find him in the archives. Lojban as such has to be dated after the split, to the relexing at least and then some, I think. --part1_82.139423d5.29318fa0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/24/2001 11:21:05 AM Central Standard Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes:


But how old was the language at that time? Personally, I would date modern
Lojban from the loglan/lojban split, which IIRC makes it about 12 years old.
And the first person to confront Lojbab speaking Lojban was probably not a
club member, as I don't beleive there was a mailing list or wiki yet.


She was, of course, insofar as there was a club.  and so were the next half-dozen or so.  The usual story about the first Esperantit is that he turned up a Zamenhof's door six weeks after the outline of Esperanto appeared.  It would be harder to say about Lojban because the first people to speak it were people involved in creating it and thus they were making it as they spoke in many cases.  I don't know who the first external person might be, but we could probably find him in the archives. Lojban as such has to be dated after the split, to the relexing at least and then some, I think. --part1_82.139423d5.29318fa0_boundary--