From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Nov 24 22:53:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 25 Nov 2001 06:53:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 72076 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2001 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2001 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2001 06:53:17 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic120.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.120]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fAP6rDH67751 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:53:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011125014734.00d68a30@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 01:53:00 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] presentation of lojban In-Reply-To: References: <78.1e3ba921.29311653@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 08:14 AM 11/24/01 -0500, Craig wrote: > >Yes. The clubs were the starting point but it quickly spread to quite >independent Esperanto clubs and to unafiliated people (the first > >person to confront Zamenhof speaking Esperanto was not a club member). > >But how old was the language at that time? Personally, I would date modern >Lojban from the loglan/lojban split, which IIRC makes it about 12 years old. Later than that. It was a year from the split until we even had a first cut at a gismu list. The draft textbook was written as I taught the first class in 1989, and we spent a year redesigning key parts of the language after that. The gismu list was baselined in 1994. The refgrammar of 1997 is our Fundamento. >And the first person to confront Lojbab speaking Lojban was probably not a >club member, as I don't beleive there was a mailing list or wiki yet. The first person that spoke to me conversationally in Lojban, other than students that I had taught personally, was probably Nick Nicholas in around 1992 or 1993. The first fluent conversation in the language was a few years after that. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org