From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Nov 26 09:42:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 26 Nov 2001 17:42:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 36572 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2001 17:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2001 17:42:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2001 17:42:09 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:17:53 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:55:40 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:55:01 +0000 To: jcowan Cc: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] stress, capitalization & audiovisual isomorphism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin >>> John Cowan 11/26/01 05:23pm >>> #And Rosta wrote: #> My preferred scheme for getting rid of apostrophes is to replace i and u #> in diphthongs by y and w and then delete all apostrophes. The resulting = orthography is, I think, unambiguous, but it makes the signification of #> subject to more complex rules than the other letters. That extra #> complexity had been called by Lojbab a deviation from AVI. # #Indeed, it would be: specifically, it would cease to be an isomorphism, #since would sometimes mean [@] and sometimes [j]. but -adjacent-to-V would always mean [@] and -not-adjacent to-V would always mean [j]. And vice versa from sound to spelling. So why is this less of an isomorphism than -in-penult-syllable =3D stressed-[V] and -not-in-penult =3D unstressed-[V]? #you are free to retort that already means sometimes /i/ and #sometimes /j/, but I will riposte that there is no /j/ in #Lojban. My retorts are never so bereft of wisdom as that would be... --And.