From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Nov 27 06:21:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 27 Nov 2001 14:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 7345 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 14:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2001 14:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 14:21:53 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 27 Nov 2001 13:57:48 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:35:38 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:35:15 +0000 To: ragnarok , lojban Subject: RE: [lojban] The end of the wiki Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin This is all puerile, rude and outrageous.=20 Tinkit's wiki contributions *are* about Lojban, even though his views are unpopular. His wiki postings are treated with contempt (e.g. interrupting his texts by commentary so much that they lose all cohesivenes= s) and he is subjected to abuse there -- censoriousness and threatened censorship . The wiki was formerly a delightfully pluralistic dynamic environment=20 where people with such conflicting views as Jay and me could rub along amicably. The overall sense of community it gave off was, I felt, very alluring. And now there are these petty squabbles and the harassing of Tinkit's dissent, and the atmosphere of the place is grown most noxious and offputting. AFAIK Tinkit hasn't vandalized=20 the site, so he shouldn't be told to piss off or have his IP address blacklisted. Really, please, people: Show some forbearance. --And. >>> Craig 11/27/01 12:10pm >>> >> Maybe Jay went on some powertrip, but I think this particular wiki >> has seen it's end of anything useful. >The first clue was that the page views are counted in decimal numbers. The second clue is that we let people hang around the wiki and the jboste who are anti-lojban and have no particular desire to discuss the language. Maybe, tinkit, you just don't see it as useful because it no longer ''is'' useful to you - except as a tool to harass others, which as it will not be tolerated by ANYONE seems like a powerstrip to you. Well then, the jboste i= s also useless for you. Piss off, we really don't want to hear from people wh= o don't care to talk about or in lojban. Jay, you don't suppose it is possible to block tinkit's IP address from editing the wiki, do you? --la kreig.daniyl. '.i do cu vanci le ba panje xusra .i denci gunma le se gidva' xy.sy. gubmau ckiku nacycme: 0x5C3A1E74 To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20