From ragnarok@pobox.com Mon Dec 03 16:01:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_0_1); 4 Dec 2001 00:01:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 25001 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 00:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 00:01:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 00:01:51 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.98] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A285BD8A00D2; Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:02:13 -0500 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: thoughts on numerical language Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 19:01:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9uh2ru+arr0@eGroups.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >anyway, i was saying you can just represent it as "A gives B", with >side tag "with recipient". Or "A gives to B", with side >tag "involving object". English is pretty much binary, with >prepositional side tags. It just turns out the 5 tags in lojban >makes things convenient and quick. One of the first things I did to make Lojban feel less alien was think of English as having a lot of one and two place selbri (verbs). All other places are added modally. Lojban just happens to have some selbri with more places, but it really doesn't need to. It just makes it more succinct - though with your not worrying about pronounceability that can easily come from other places. --la kreig.daniyl. '.i do cu vanci le ba panje xusra .i denci gunma le se gidva' xy.sy. gubmau ckiku nacycme: 0x5C3A1E74