From phma@oltronics.net Mon Dec 03 19:11:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 03:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 95599 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 03:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 03:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (216.189.29.242) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 03:11:24 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 25B0F3C476; Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:11:20 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: thoughts on numerical language Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:11:18 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0112032211181T.25762@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7781868 On Monday 03 December 2001 19:01, Craig wrote: > One of the first things I did to make Lojban feel less alien was think of > English as having a lot of one and two place selbri (verbs). All other > places are added modally. Lojban just happens to have some selbri with more > places, but it really doesn't need to. It just makes it more succinct - > though with your not worrying about pronounceability that can easily come > from other places. I think that selbri fi >=3mei are needed. Any more can be expressed with combinations of three-place selbri, but there must be some with at least three. 3-satisfiability is equivalent to unlimited-terbri satisfiability, but 2-satisfiability is not. phma