From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Dec 04 06:18:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 4 Dec 2001 14:18:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 87328 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 13:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2001 13:48:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 13:48:01 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 4 Dec 2001 13:23:38 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:01:50 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:01:17 +0000 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: thoughts on numerical language Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin As I understand it they're not so much talking about the actual adicity or selbri but rather the number of sumti that would receive not a=20 BAI tage but a FA tag. There was once a Loglan reform project called Voksigid whose guiding idea (which then gives you an idea of the calibre of the project) was to dispense with sumti marked by word order and FA tags and to use only BAI tags. --And. >>> Pierre Abbat 12/04/01 03:11am >>> On Monday 03 December 2001 19:01, Craig wrote: > One of the first things I did to make Lojban feel less alien was think of > English as having a lot of one and two place selbri (verbs). All other > places are added modally. Lojban just happens to have some selbri with mo= re > places, but it really doesn't need to. It just makes it more succinct - > though with your not worrying about pronounceability that can easily come > from other places. I think that selbri fi >=3D3mei are needed. Any more can be expressed with= =20 combinations of three-place selbri, but there must be some with at least=20 three. 3-satisfiability is equivalent to unlimited-terbri satisfiability, b= ut=20 2-satisfiability is not. phma To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20