From thinkit8@lycos.com Tue Dec 04 20:49:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: thinkit8@lycos.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 5 Dec 2001 04:49:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 29624 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2001 04:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2001 04:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.56) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2001 04:49:25 -0000 Received: from [216.115.96.178] by n6.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2001 04:49:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 04:49:21 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: thoughts on numerical language Message-ID: <9uk90h+ri0h@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <174.351f23.293eea03@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1493 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "thinkit41" X-Originating-IP: 216.26.61.36 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=71054096 X-Yahoo-Profile: thinkit41 --- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/2001 8:52:28 PM Central Standard Time, > thinkit8@l... writes: > > > > I'd think of it as a superset. If you define something numerically, > > you can do both the language stuff, and the illustration, which is > > not a "linguistic description". Sure you can do that now, but you > > get rough boundries between them. A rough example is binary > > encoding in newsgroup texts...it's a hack at best. > > > > Your binary code as a superset of a language. Not quite, since it does not > now contain the language as a part, only a code for it. Again, you are being > remarkably opaque in what you are talking about. Do you mean a language or > do you mean a code. If you mean a language, then the pictures have no place > in it; if you meqn a code, then the linguistic stuff you've been throwing > around have no place. Apparently. > A set of principles seems called for. What are you talking about? What > goals do you have in mind? How does your numerical whatzit proceed toward > those goals? > What is a numerical language? > > This looks like material for LoCCan3 -- except for its negligible connection > with Lojban/Loglan. The point is to see how one can be more expressive when talking in binary. I have a pretty good idea of it in my head, but perhaps I'm not articulating it well. When I get a general overview of how it's put together, perhaps my purposes will be more clear.