From pycyn@aol.com Thu Dec 06 06:15:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 6 Dec 2001 14:15:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 49366 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2001 14:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2001 14:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r01.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.97) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2001 14:15:16 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.8f.1387158c (2616) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:15:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8f.1387158c.2940d76c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:15:08 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] [WWW] browser usage statistics (was: Big update!) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8f.1387158c.2940d76c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_8f.1387158c.2940d76c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2001 10:50:19 PM Central Standard Time, jay.kominek@colorado.edu writes: > MSIE 5.0 and 5.5 are about tied for number of users, and the both of them > have 3 times more users than Netscape 4.x, which has almost haved in usage > in the past 6 months. MSIE 6.0 is sky rocketing. (A bit of rough math > taking into account only those 4 browers, pegs IE with 87.5%, tossing in > the other broswers would lower it slightly.) > > http://browserwatch.internet.com/stats/stats.html > > BrowserWatch pegs Internet Explorer with 86.8% of users, Netscape (all > versions combined) with 6.77%, Opera and lynx with 2.2% and 1.1% > respectively. That agrees with Google's Zeitgeist data. > Thanks for the new stats. The remarkable turn in six months or so suggests that, in fact, the stats are on different properties. As far as I can remember (I don't have the source in front of me -- indeed don't remember where I read it: general publication I suppose) the ones I cited were for sales (including bundles), yours look like actual use. (lots of stuff in packages don't get used). <(And of course, we all know that Microsoft is the end all and be all of computing, and as such, we shouldn't even be considering the use of non-Microsoft software in the first place... right?)> God, I hope not. But it is what most people -- for better or worse -- get at the beginning of their computing life and what many never go beyond (it keeps coming with each new machine). So it needs to be taken into consideration and dealt with if Lojban is to appeal beyond the small group of high-end fanatics -- who, by the way, never seem to be able to make a product that seriously competes on any level with the MS ones, thereby giving MS the field by default. Nope. In academia uninformed cranks are made first full professors and then administrators at triple salary, total control and zero responsibility for the chaos they create. --part1_8f.1387158c.2940d76c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/2001 10:50:19 PM Central Standard Time, jay.kominek@colorado.edu writes:


MSIE 5.0 and 5.5 are about tied for number of users, and the both of them
have 3 times more users than Netscape 4.x, which has almost haved in usage
in the past 6 months. MSIE 6.0 is sky rocketing. (A bit of rough math
taking into account only those 4 browers, pegs IE with 87.5%, tossing in
the other broswers would lower it slightly.)

http://browserwatch.internet.com/stats/stats.html

BrowserWatch pegs Internet Explorer with 86.8% of users, Netscape (all
versions combined) with 6.77%, Opera and lynx with 2.2% and 1.1%
respectively. That agrees with Google's Zeitgeist data.


Thanks for the new stats.  The remarkable turn in six months or so suggests that, in fact, the stats are on different properties.  As far as I can remember (I don't have the source in front of me -- indeed don't remember where I read it: general publication I suppose) the ones I cited were for sales (including bundles), yours look like actual use. (lots of stuff in packages don't get used).

<(And of course, we all know that Microsoft is the end all and be all of
computing, and as such, we shouldn't even be considering the use of
non-Microsoft software in the first place... right?)>

God, I hope not.  But it is what most people -- for better or worse -- get at the beginning of their computing life and what many never go beyond (it keeps coming with each new machine).  So it needs to be taken into consideration and dealt with if Lojban is to appeal beyond the small group of high-end fanatics -- who, by the way, never seem to be able to make a product that seriously competes on any level with the MS ones, thereby giving MS the field by default.

<A dissenting party would of course, need to provide references for their
claims, or else be disregarded as an uninformed crank. (Rather reminiscent
of academia, don't you think?)>

Nope.  In academia uninformed cranks are made first full professors and then administrators at triple salary, total control and zero responsibility for the chaos they create.


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