From pycyn@aol.com Thu Dec 06 18:15:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 7 Dec 2001 02:15:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 25242 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 02:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2001 02:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 02:15:38 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.103.d6123ee (2614) for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:15:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <103.d6123ee.29418046@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:15:34 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Romany and Romanian To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_103.d6123ee.29418046_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_103.d6123ee.29418046_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2001 6:20:21 PM Central Standard Time, phma@oltronics.net writes: > How do we distinguish Romany from Romanian (besides {tsingaro}, of course)? How did we get 'em confused in the first place? One is eccentric Romance, the eccentric Indic and, though I suppose the Dom came through Roumania on their way to Western Europe, I don't think they lingered there more than most places (til next week's pogrom). As far as I ever heard (never in ideals circumstances) the initial consonant in the Gypsy selfname is a retroflex voiced stop, whence the d/r variation. Maybe we can call them Doms (Indians regularly take English alveolars as retroflex since they are back of the native detnals). --part1_103.d6123ee.29418046_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2001 6:20:21 PM Central Standard Time, phma@oltronics.net writes:


How do we distinguish Romany from Romanian (besides {tsingaro}, of course)?


How did we get 'em confused in the first place? One is eccentric Romance, the eccentric Indic and, though I suppose the Dom came through Roumania on their way to Western Europe, I don't think they lingered there more than most places (til next week's pogrom).  As far as I ever heard (never in ideals circumstances) the initial consonant in the Gypsy selfname is a retroflex voiced stop, whence the d/r variation.  Maybe we can call them Doms (Indians regularly take English alveolars as retroflex since they are back of the native detnals). --part1_103.d6123ee.29418046_boundary--