From phma@oltronics.net Thu Dec 06 18:42:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 7 Dec 2001 02:42:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 25779 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 02:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2001 02:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 02:42:33 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id D0F5F3C478; Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:42:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Romany and Romanian Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:42:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <103.d6123ee.29418046@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <103.d6123ee.29418046@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0112062142200S.18860@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7781868 On Thursday 06 December 2001 21:15, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > How did we get 'em confused in the first place? One is eccentric Romance, > the eccentric Indic and, though I suppose the Dom came through Roumania on > their way to Western Europe, I don't think they lingered there more than > most places (til next week's pogrom). As far as I ever heard (never in > ideals circumstances) the initial consonant in the Gypsy selfname is a > retroflex voiced stop, whence the d/r variation. Maybe we can call them > Doms (Indians regularly take English alveolars as retroflex since they are > back of the native detnals). I found the word {natmrsindo} on the tutra pe le terdi page. Where did that come from? phma