From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Dec 07 14:26:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 7 Dec 2001 22:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 29096 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2001 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2001 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2001 22:26:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fB7MQQX21269 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:26:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:26:25 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] if In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1138703 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, And Rosta wrote: > [replying to list, because I can't see why this wd be sent as > private reply] > > > From: Rob Speer [mailto:rob@twcny.rr.com] > > Sent: 03 December 2001 02:09 > > > > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 07:38:48PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > > * mu'ei always works (tho can't do counterfactuality); it also has the > > > advantage of being in ROI, the most convenient selmaho for the job. > > > > Wait a sec. Perhaps you mean something different by "counterfactuality", > > because I believe that {mu'ei} is in fact the only thing (besides > > {da'i}) which can express a counterfactual statement. It describes > > things which do not necessarily happen in this universe but could or > > would have happened in others. This is, of course, somehow yet recognizing that many attitudinals have the same power? > Oh right. Then yes, you were right; _mu'ei_ does what you say it does. > I'm not sure about _da'i_, though; I'd have to see the examples. By > 'counterfactuality' I meant 'counter to fact' -- something that didn't > happen in this universe. "I wish that **you were here**", "**Had you been > here**, I would...". -- The tao that can be tar(1)ed is not the entire Tao. The path that can be specified is not the Full Path.