From cowan@ccil.org Fri Dec 07 21:34:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 8 Dec 2001 05:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 78967 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2001 05:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2001 05:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2001 05:34:20 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16Ca89-0000VA-00 for ; Sat, 08 Dec 2001 00:34:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] [WWWW] Big update! In-Reply-To: <107.9e8a259.2942db91@aol.com> from "pycyn@aol.com" at "Dec 7, 2001 09:57:21 pm" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:34:33 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=212516 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan pycyn@aol.com scripsit: > But they are the last people -- or ought tpo be -- to hold the users in > contempt, for it there were no users, if people refused to buy their stuff or > use it, thew whole would collapse. Indeed. > Further, they should be the last people > to put down the crap that users use, since they were the people who created > the crap in the first place and who have regularly failed to improve it in > the ways that they say it should be done. Not so. Windows and all its works are made by geeks who have sold themselves to marketeers. Windows is a Yugo at Cadillac prices. What is more, the Windows culture is a tyranny, which like all such is supported by the meekness of its victims. The Yugo failed because people felt more confident rejecting a piece-of-crap car; Windows has not yet failed because people were subject to FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). > Presumably he can do what he wants to do -- why not want to reach as many > people as possible as well as possible, especially in a broadcasting > advertisement job? Too many of us have grown weary of constant adaptation to the latest oversold piece of junk. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Please leave your values | Check your assumptions. In fact, at the front desk. | check your assumptions at the door. --sign in Paris hotel | --Miles Vorkosigan