From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Dec 09 15:22:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 9 Dec 2001 23:22:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 2679 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2001 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2001 23:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.188) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2001 23:22:01 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:22:01 -0800 Received: from 200.69.14.38 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Dec 2001 23:22:01 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Logical translation request Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 23:22:01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Dec 2001 23:22:01.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E4E2470:01C18108] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.14.38] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e > > gasnu is "to make someone else do something". > > > > I would ahve said "to bring it about that" which does not require >another >agent intermeidary (though it does suggest one); Yes, I also glossed it as "to make something happen". The point was just to distinguish it from English "to do", which is much better served by {zukte}. > > >"Now the act seemed valid" I think the {ca} has got to be pinned down to >something, That will come fron the context. caku = ca zo'e = ca le nu co'e. {caku} in general is "then", not "now"! And even more so when the overall tense of the bridi is an explicit {pu}. >and {lojdra} just doesn't fit at all (pace English -- Lord, the >problems that always causes in Logic classes!) I detected some irony in the way the problem was posed and thought {lojdra} was the best way to reflect that. Maybe I read too much into it. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp