From xod@sixgirls.org Wed Dec 12 16:08:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 13 Dec 2001 00:08:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 45147 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 00:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2001 00:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 00:08:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBD080U09694 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:08:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:07:59 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Logical translation request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1138703 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la pycyn cusku di'e > > >{logji} is strictly about the means by which a conclusion is reached > >(really > >strictly it does not even require that that method be a "good" one, only > >that > >it be a specifiable method). It says nothing about either premises, which > >may be purest crap even if the method is good. > > And the use of this method is what Vulcans pride themselves on, > isn't it? > > >so "seemed to > >fit the situation by the standard of good logic applied to available > >information" where the standard might be assumed to be the usual -- at > >least > >for Vulcan diplomats. > > Then {lojdra} might be good: drani fo le logji, correct by the > standard of our Vulcan logic. Isn't that what "logical" means > when applied to an action? How far do we take this? For a society where the default "motive" and behavior standard is logic, {drani}, {mapti} and {xamgu} are sufficient responses as well. There is no need to overspecify by mentioning "logji", it is surely to be assumed. -- The tao that can be tar(1)ed is not the entire Tao. The path that can be specified is not the Full Path.