From pycyn@aol.com Wed Dec 12 17:54:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_2); 13 Dec 2001 01:54:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 12823 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 01:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2001 01:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 01:54:38 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.168.58b846b (4586) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:54:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <168.58b846b.29496451@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:54:25 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Logical translation request To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_168.58b846b.29496451_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_168.58b846b.29496451_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/2001 6:02:24 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > And the use of this method is what Vulcans pride themselves on, > isn't it? > Just what the Vulcan's mean by "logic" is a little unclear. It does involve valid (in the broad sense, since probabilistic inferences -- though with the probabilities stated -- are included) inferences only. But it seems also to involve the negative side: that emotional considerations do not intrude at any point: viewing the situation, setting up alternatives, or evaluating alternatives (the last, at least, is hard to dodge emotions on, for whence comes the goods and bads). So I think the antiemotionalism perhaps needs to get into the structure somewhere (another irony, of course, given that we are talking about a Terra-Vulcan marriage which involved emotionalism on one side and, in fact, could not have been "logical" at all, but seemed to be at the time because Sarek was having a carefully self-concealed attack of emotion). Otherwise, the logic might be perfect but the whole flawed by emotional distortion of the view or the evaluation or the range of options. --part1_168.58b846b.29496451_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/2001 6:02:24 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


And the use of this method is what Vulcans pride themselves on,
isn't it?


Just what the Vulcan's mean by "logic" is a little unclear.  It does involve valid (in the broad sense, since probabilistic inferences -- though with the probabilities stated -- are included) inferences only.  But it seems also to involve the negative side: that emotional considerations do not intrude at any point: viewing the situation, setting up alternatives, or evaluating alternatives (the last, at least, is hard to dodge emotions on, for whence comes the goods and bads).  So I think the antiemotionalism perhaps needs to get into the structure somewhere (another irony, of course, given that we are talking about a Terra-Vulcan marriage which involved emotionalism on one side and, in fact, could not have been "logical" at all, but seemed to be at the time because Sarek was having a carefully self-concealed attack of emotion).  Otherwise, the logic might be perfect but the whole flawed by emotional distortion of the view or the evaluation or the range of options. --part1_168.58b846b.29496451_boundary--