From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 18:34:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Dec 2001 02:34:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 59326 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 02:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2001 02:34:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.47) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 02:34:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:34:19 -0800 Received: from 200.69.14.27 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 02:34:19 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Logical translation request Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 02:34:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2001 02:34:19.0922 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3C77720:01C188FE] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.14.27] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e >In a message dated 12/18/2001 7:01:51 PM Central Standard Time, >jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Can you give an example of an agglomeration of tense words that > > could not possibly mean anything? I doubt you could find one, > > and the worse part is that even if you do, it probably has an > > equivalent form that is grammatical anyway > >This is going to depend upon just what the time system is; that is, what is >the hidden presuppositions in the incredible journey through time. this is >(wisely) not specified but that means all the possibilities are open. So, >for example, tense time could be SAE, which makes at least past futures >potentially incommensurate with any other tenses, i.e., "puba P" does not >entail "ga pu P giga ca P gi ba P" (this is one way SAE gets irrealis >subjunctives, after all). So there can be tense strings that are too long >to >deal with (around seven shifts, say) in real time and ones that have no >other >description than the one given in the old Loglan strings. I don't understand how that relates to my question. Indefinitely long tense strings are allowed in the current system. I was asking for an example of an "agglomeration" that was excluded because it could not possibly mean anything. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx