From araizen@newmail.net Thu Dec 20 04:54:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 20 Dec 2001 12:54:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 76424 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2001 12:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2001 12:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sphere.barak.net.il) (212.150.48.98) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 12:54:33 -0000 Received: from out.newmail.net ([10.10.11.10]) by sphere.barak.net.il (InterMail vK.4.03.00.00 201-232-121 license 5444ddd44659357c6c93343e0ce38507) with SMTP id <20011220125317.EECX5480.sphere@out.newmail.net> for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:53:17 +0200 Received: from default ([62.0.180.145]) by out.newmail.net ; Thu, 20 Dec 2001 14:55:11 +0200 Message-ID: <002401c189bb$dc6e7280$91b4003e@default> To: , "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011218021856.00c40680@pop.cais.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011219230618.0525e100@pop.cais.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Logical translation request Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:07:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Adam Raizen" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=3063669 X-Yahoo-Profile: araizen la lojbab. cusku di'e > > > Probably it is ungrammatical either because a) we never thought of adding a > > > rule for CAhA+NAI because we couldn't think of what such a thing might > > > mean > > > >This seems to bias s-w effects, doesn't it? > > Not likely, since there has been no plan to examine S-W effects based on > the tense system. That seems kind of silly. Wasn't the Hopi tense system *the* S-W effect par excellence for Whorf? If we're not going to examine S-W effects based on the tense system, and not ones based on the vocabulary, what are we left with? Just the logic? Why don't we just see if people's world-view changes when they learn formal logic and save ourselves a lot of trouble. mu'o mi'e .adam.