From pycyn@aol.com Sun Dec 23 06:41:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 23 Dec 2001 14:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 65455 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2001 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2001 14:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.7) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2001 14:41:01 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.148.6cbfbd3 (3928) for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:40:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <148.6cbfbd3.295746fa@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:40:58 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Binary Language To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.6cbfbd3.295746fa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_148.6cbfbd3.295746fa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/22/2001 10:28:06 PM Central Standard Time, thinkit8@lycos.com writes: > I listed the conventions, so perhaps the muck will have some meaning > now Where is the new version? The one at http://home.earthlink.net/~thinkyad/bl.txt is unchanged and the root page gives no alternates. Well, no -- the "to" is added to show that the place of "me" has been shifted from its usual (compare French). How can an *initial* reference have a backcount? Or does this just mean that that each reference is flagged by how deep it is in the discourse. Is that its ID? No, since it has both this and an ID. What is the ID? A name? An external reference? If so, how done? Example please. How, e.g., would the "me" of "Give me the book" be attached? What concept (no better than "idea" -- maybe worse, since more overtly abstract) would it be an argument to? --part1_148.6cbfbd3.295746fa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/22/2001 10:28:06 PM Central Standard Time, thinkit8@lycos.com writes:


I listed the conventions, so perhaps the muck will have some meaning
now


Where is the new version? The one at http://home.earthlink.net/~thinkyad/bl.txt is unchanged and the root page gives no alternates.

<Give is simple, the subject (arg1) is the giver, and the object
(arg2) is the object given.  A sentence tag defines the recipient. 
Are there any really ternary verbs in English?  You only get things
like "give me the object" because we are shortening from "give the
object to me">

Well, no -- the "to" is added to show that the place of "me" has been shifted from its usual (compare French).

<I changed it to indicate that intial assignment involves both a
backcount and an ID>

How can an *initial* reference have a backcount?  Or does this just mean that that each reference is flagged by how deep it is in the discourse.  Is that its ID?  No, since it has both this and an ID.  What is the ID?  A name? An external reference?  If so, how done?

<Because tags involve operations, and all operations have two argument
(even if some are just a placeholder).>

Example please.  How, e.g., would the "me" of "Give me the book" be attached?  What concept (no better than "idea" -- maybe worse, since more overtly abstract) would it be an argument to?



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