From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Dec 25 07:23:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 25 Dec 2001 15:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 34941 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 15:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2001 15:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 15:23:20 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp21.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.21]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id fBPFNIH42734 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:23:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011225101217.00c2c100@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:22:27 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Logical translation request In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 09:11 PM 12/24/01 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >What ambiguity? {ze'u} is the interval of what follows >{reroi indicates that what follows occurs twice. {ze'u reroi} >never means "in two long intervals", it always is "twice in a long >interval". And reroi ze'u? reroi ze'u ciroi? reroi ze'u ciroi ze'i? Sounds like you want default right-grouping, which IIRC was hard to manage in YACC. > >Strict ordering of tense components allows complex tenses with ellipsis of > >unspecified components and you know what has been left out at the time it > >is skipped. > >Can you give a concrete example? Allowing ZEhAs as freely as >ZAhOs and TAhEs does not seem to cause any problem. I don't think ZAhOs and TAhEs are all that free. They are interval properties and either stand on their own or come after a ZEhA. Given totally free order, you can create a jumble such as "reroi za'o ciroi ba'o ta'e ze'u ze'a ta'e pu'o ze'i paroi" There may be a structure implied in that, but I wouldn't try to guess it. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org