From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Jan 04 08:36:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 16:36:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 98201 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 16:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 16:36:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 16:36:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g04Ga3c23902; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:36:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:36:02 -0500 (EST) To: Cc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Text to Speech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1138703 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Candide Kemmler wrote: > > The Lojban 'r' is allowed to be pronounced in just about any way, > > including the standard American untrilled 'r'. I happen to think that > > Lojban sounds best with an Irish sort of 'r', but that could just be > > because I love listening to Irish accents. ;-) I would advise > > against the French "r", as that seems indistinguishable from "xr", at > > least to my ear. > > Yes, I personnally cannot pronunciate "r"'s like the Italians do > (trilled ?). And I don't know about the Irish "r". Perhaps the best > consensus is the American "r"... Oh heavens no, the American "r" is a vowel treated as a consonant and I don't care what anyone says. It is implied by context more often than not, replaces other vowels at times (better --> betr even in the UK), and gets elided in several common dialects. Everyone has such difficult time understanding spoken Lojban that we need everything to be as clear & distinct as possible, and that includes trilled "r"s. I think an Irish "r" is lightly trilled. -- The tao that can be tar(1)ed is not the entire Tao. The path that can be specified is not the Full Path.