From arntrich@stud.ntnu.no Fri Jan 04 10:32:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arntrich@stud.ntnu.no X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 18:32:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 3194 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 18:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 18:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flaske.stud.ntnu.no) (129.241.56.72) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 18:32:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9C2FF20F for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from jeeves.stud.ntnu.no (jeeves [129.241.56.14]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C786FF1F3 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (arntrich@localhost) by jeeves.stud.ntnu.no (8.11.6/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id g04IW9t28829 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:09 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: jeeves.stud.ntnu.no: arntrich owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:32:09 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Text to Speech In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 From: Arnt Richard Johansen X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810685 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbo On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Candide Kemmler wrote: > > The Lojban 'r' is allowed to be pronounced in just about any way, > > including the standard American untrilled 'r'. I happen to think that > > Lojban sounds best with an Irish sort of 'r', but that could just be > > because I love listening to Irish accents. ;-) I would advise > > against the French "r", as that seems indistinguishable from "xr", at > > least to my ear. > > Yes, I personnally cannot pronunciate "r"'s like the Italians do > (trilled ?). And I don't know about the Irish "r". Perhaps the best > consensus is the American "r"... Just to clear things up. The official Lojban R is the alveolar approximant, SAMPA [\r], which is used in among others US English, UK English, and Swedish. It is also possible to pronounce R as an alveolar trill, SAMPA [r], as in Spanish. The preferred pronunciation, however, seems to be the apico-alveolar tap, "fish-hook r", as in Spanish, some dialects of Japanese, and some dialects of Norwegian. Compare with the sound samples linked at http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Multimedia, and the sound samples at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/files/Sound%20samples/ -- mu'o mi'e tsali