From jcowan@reutershealth.com Fri Jan 04 10:45:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Jan 2002 18:45:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 60221 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 18:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2002 18:45:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 18:45:00 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01586; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:45:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C35F92A.3000309@reutershealth.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:49:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011120 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arnt Richard Johansen Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Text to Speech References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > The official Lojban R is the alveolar approximant, SAMPA [\r], which is > used in among others US English, UK English, and Swedish. > > It is also possible to pronounce R as an alveolar trill, SAMPA [r], as in > Spanish. > > The preferred pronunciation, however, seems to be the apico-alveolar tap, > "fish-hook r", as in Spanish, some dialects of Japanese, and some dialects > of Norwegian. Where does this "official" and "preferred" come from? The Lojban /r/ is any rhotic sound, including all of these as well as the uvular trill of German, the uvular approximant of French (although as noted some may have trouble pronouncing /xr/ distinctly in the last case), and the retroflex approximant of Chinese. Additionally, the /r/ I use in American English is by no means alveolar; it is a lamino-palatal approximant, with the apex depressed and retracted. -- Not to perambulate || John Cowan the corridors || http://www.reutershealth.com during the hours of repose || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan in the boots of ascension. \\ Sign in Austrian ski-resort hotel