From pycyn@aol.com Mon Jan 07 01:32:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 09:32:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 59742 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 09:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 09:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 09:32:02 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.ea.20a240db (4585) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:31:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:31:56 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Text to Speech To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ea.20a240db.296ac50c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_ea.20a240db.296ac50c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/2002 5:03:29 PM Central Standard Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes: > I would like to also see use of varying sounds other than r - for instance, > I (and I think PC as well, though I amn't sure) use /T/ instead of /h/ for > {'}; I would like to have a Lojban TTS voice with that one. > I do when I remember, but years of habit die hard and I do slip until I notice I am generating ambiguities between {V'V) and {VV}. Cherlin: I haven't seen anything lately on this claim, but the last I saw (and its ancestors for about a decade) was that, since just about everyone could come to regularly distinguish between r'd and r-less cases, the allophones of /r/ involved was not 0 but something way off the normal English spectrum, ranging -- various r'less dialects -- from pitch-stress-juncture to pharyngealization through retroflexion and a number of other odd things with the back of the tongue . They just hid a bit, but they don't disappear. Unless something new has turned up beyond the old mechanical sound spectrograms. --part1_ea.20a240db.296ac50c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/2002 5:03:29 PM Central Standard Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes:


I would like to also see use of varying sounds other than r - for instance,
I (and I think PC as well, though I amn't sure) use /T/ instead of /h/ for
{'}; I would like to have a Lojban TTS voice with that one.


I do when I remember, but years of habit die hard and I do slip until I notice I am generating ambiguities between {V'V) and {VV}.

Cherlin:
<Actually, therre arre severral distinctive Amurrcan 'r's, and some
that disappeah entially.>

I haven't seen anything lately on this claim, but the last I saw (and its ancestors for about a decade) was that, since just about everyone could come to regularly distinguish between r'd and r-less cases, the allophones of /r/ involved was not 0 but something way off the normal English spectrum, ranging -- various r'less dialects -- from pitch-stress-juncture to pharyngealization through retroflexion and a number of other odd things with the back of the tongue .  They just hid a bit, but they don't disappear.  Unless something new has turned up beyond the old mechanical sound spectrograms.

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