From rob@twcny.rr.com Tue Jan 08 00:46:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 8 Jan 2002 08:46:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 31466 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 08:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2002 08:46:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout5.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.122) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 08:46:35 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id g088kYq02378 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:46:32 -0500 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16Nrty-0000ng-00 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:46:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:46:34 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] New file uploaded to lojban Message-ID: <20020108084634.GA3045@twcny.rr.com> References: <20020107040243.GB1529@twcny.rr.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020107045819.04d57d30@pop.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020107045819.04d57d30@pop.cais.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2572649 X-Yahoo-Profile: squeekybobo On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 05:02:14AM -0500, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > At 12:21 AM 1/7/02 -0500, Rob Speer wrote: > >On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 11:29:15PM -0500, Craig wrote: > > > >Many of these can't even appear without pauses, like "f-ui" or "ai-oi". > > > > > > la .naioin. would be a valid cmene, as would la fuin., so yes, they can > > > appear without pauses. > > > >All right, but these are not exactly common Lojban words. > > > >In most text-to-speech programs, you're lucky if it can pronounce your > >name at all. Here, if we treat these as series of diphones, it may sound > >a bit labored when the computer says it but it will at least be correct > >pronunciation. {fuin} would be (f-u) (u-i) (i-n). {naioin} would be > >(n-a) (a-i) (i-o) (o-i) (i-n) - imagine the cmavo 'ai', 'io', and 'oi' > >being flowed together. I think this is an acceptable tradeoff to make in > >order to cut the number of speech samples required in about half. > > I would not try to treat ai as a-i. Vowel length is significant, and this > was evident even in the primitive Radio Shack TTS box that Nora worked with > in the 80s. The Lojban diphthongs are not the same as the component sounds > for TTS purposes. > > naioin should be n-ai ai,oi oi-n because of the default rule of pairing > vowels from the left and inserting implied close-commas for syllabification. Okay, perhaps you're right. I just know that I wouldn't be happy if I were recording the diphones, knowing that half of them will only appear in bizarre names, but I still had to contort my throat to pronounce things like 'tatiy-eta'. -- la rab.spir noi sarji zo gumri