From phma@webjockey.net Wed Jan 09 14:20:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 9 Jan 2002 22:20:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4641 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 22:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2002 22:20:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2002 22:20:20 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 9938D3C617; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:19:55 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Text to Speech Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:19:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201091719520A.10006@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Wednesday 09 January 2002 13:23, Jim Carter wrote: > On "x", if you can spit you can speak Russian :-) In middle school we > referred to "hawking a luker". Huh? > I seem to be one of the r-handicapped population. In French class I spent > a week trying to get my r's to trill, but never got a trace of oscillation > out of my tongue. But I was praised for the consistency of my xr's. > > My understanding of the standards is that the trill is optional. Perhaps > the right way to put it is, if you can trill, do it, but if not, don't feel > guilty. I trill most 'r's, but some syllabic 'r's I don't. For instance, the 'r' in {fiprmako} I pronounce as either a voiceless trill or a retroflex vowel (which is not how I pronounce 'r' in English; my English 'r' is made by bunching the tongue at the back of the mouth). The 'i' I pronounce as in "ship" (it can be anywhere from "ship" to "preen" depending on the consonants). phma