From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Jan 14 06:56:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 14:56:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 2470 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 14:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 14:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 14:56:06 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:30:25 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:55:27 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:55:26 +0000 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] po'u considered harmful Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin I wrote: #When I saw the Subject Line "po'u considered harmful", I incorrectly #guessed that you were going to make the valid point that when #people say "mi po'u la bab" they usually mean "mi no'u la bab". #"Mi po'u la bab" selects from the group of speakers and refers to the #one that is la bab. Hence if Bab is speaking on behalf of a group #of speakers that includes Bab and Djan (e.g. reading a jointly written #paper at a conference) then Bab can quite licitly say "mi po'u la djan" #to refer to Djan. OTOH, if Bab says "mi no'u la Djan", Bab is claiming #that he is Djan. Ergo, usually when people say "mi po'u la bab" #they mean "mi no'u la bab". I should also add, for completeness, that when giving that conference paper Bab could licitly say "mi no'u la bab e la djan" to refer to them both. --And.