From phma@webjockey.net Mon Jan 14 12:05:40 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 14 Jan 2002 20:05:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 52957 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 20:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2002 20:05:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 20:05:36 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8631C3C56D; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:05:31 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] po'u considered harmful Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:05:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3C4323A1.3040701@reutershealth.com> In-Reply-To: <3C4323A1.3040701@reutershealth.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0201141505291C.31271@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Monday 14 January 2002 13:29, John Cowan wrote: > mi me le ci nolraitru = I am Caspar, Melchior, or Balthazar. > mi du le ci nolraitru = We are Caspar, Melchior, and Balthazar. > ("Oh, I am the Cook, and the Captain bold/And the Mate of the > _Nancy_ brig/And the Bosun tight/And the Midshipmite/And the > Crew of the Captain's gig." -- W.S. Gilbert; see > http://www.jsward.com/shanty/poems/NancyBell.html . I learned > this poem from my father by oral tradition.) As I understand it, {mi du le ci nolraitru} is false, even if spoken by the three kings, because it asserts that each one of them is all three kings. But {mi du lei ci nolraitru} is correct when said by the kings, because {mi} refers to the set of speakers ({mi} is nonspecific as to individual/mass/set). phma