From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 06:34:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 18 Jan 2002 14:34:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 88637 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2002 14:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m8.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2002 14:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.88) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2002 14:34:33 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:34:33 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:34:32 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Q-kau 2002: halfway towards a solution/resolution Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:34:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 14:34:33.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EECE6D0:01C1A02D] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e >(A) Ignoring current usage, what would be the best way to express in >Lojban an incomplete proposition and its unbound variables? My best >shot would be a du'u clause containing "tu'o da" for unbound variables. That covers propositions that are incomplete in that they are missing a sumti, but Q-kau covers a larger range of incomplete propositions, with xukau, xokau, jikau, mokau, etc. >The relationship between Q-word with kau and Q-word without kau would >then be a relatively idiomatic one, in that a sentence with Q-word without >kau would be an abbreviation of a more complex sentence in which the >Q-words are with kau. Is this sufficiently 'lojbanic'? Probably it would have been more lojbanic to use the unmarked form for the simple incomplete sentence, and use a marked form (e.g. {mapau}) for the question. But Lojban is not as lojbanic as it should be... mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com