From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Jan 24 14:44:29 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 24 Jan 2002 22:44:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 83628 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 22:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2002 22:44:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.47) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 22:44:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:44:28 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.30 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:44:28 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: lojban as a programming language [was Re: [lojban] Lojban for lay programmers] Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:44:28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 22:44:28.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE95C3D0:01C1A528] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.30] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 Lee Daniel Crocker: >Sure, one could probably stretch lojban into "artistic" uses, but >doing so would produce bad art and risk weakening the language for >its designed use: clarity. Lojban should be "sold" for doing things >like writing international contracts, technical specs, laws, >computer programs, and other things for which ambiguity and cultural >assumptions are bad. If anyone tried to sell it to me for any of that stuff I wouldn't buy it. And so far at least, it has not been used for any of that, nor even shown to be particularly useful for any of that. On the other hand, it has been used for artistic expression, the quality of which everyone can judge by themselves, of course. >Literature and art thrive on cultural >assumptions and ambiguity and arbitrary constraints and all those >things we've tried to remove from lojban. One of the most attractive things about Lojban is that to some extent we are creating a culture along with the language. >Novels should be in English. Opera should be in Italian. >Treaties should be in Lojban. English was designed for novels?! mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com