From pycyn@aol.com Mon Jan 28 06:23:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Jan 2002 14:23:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 79657 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 14:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2002 14:23:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 14:23:33 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.c8.2169719b (17377) for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:23:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:23:13 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Bible translation style question To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.2169719b.2986b8d1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_c8.2169719b.2986b8d1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2002 7:57:03 PM Central Standard Time, a.rosta@ntlworld.com writes: > any normative style is going to > be strongly SAE-influenced at this stage, which is to'e lojbo Not so, not so. Many SAE features are thoroughly lojbo: SVO and SOV, tense and negation position, and so on. The fact that a feature occurs in SAE does not mean that it is inappropriate for Lojban (after all, formal logic is an SAE invention and so likely to be somewhat that way, even though it is VSO). Of course, doing things SAE because that is what youare familiar with, rather than rethinking it in Lojban terms is objectionable -- but hard to prove. On the current issue, I would assume that the glossray order of arguments is the natural Lojban order and rearrangements need a reason, aesthetic, usually (get messy phrases to an end, copy another style, cadence, emphasis,...). --part1_c8.2169719b.2986b8d1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2002 7:57:03 PM Central Standard Time, a.rosta@ntlworld.com writes:


any normative style is going to
be strongly SAE-influenced at this stage, which is to'e lojbo


Not so, not so. Many SAE features are thoroughly lojbo: SVO and SOV, tense and negation position, and so on.  The fact that a feature occurs in SAE does not mean that it is inappropriate for Lojban (after all, formal logic is an SAE invention and so likely to be somewhat that way, even though it is VSO).  Of course, doing things SAE because that is what youare familiar with, rather than rethinking it in Lojban terms is objectionable -- but hard to prove. 
On the current issue, I would assume that the glossray order of arguments is the natural Lojban order and rearrangements need a reason, aesthetic, usually (get messy phrases to an end, copy another style, cadence, emphasis,...). --part1_c8.2169719b.2986b8d1_boundary--