From xod@sixgirls.org Mon Jan 28 07:32:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Jan 2002 15:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 31625 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2002 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 15:32:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0SFWMR02539 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:32:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:32:20 -0500 (EST) To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Bible translation style question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1138703 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, And Rosta wrote: > That was my point. My concern is that where Lojban offers multiple ways > to say the same thing, and some ways are more SAE-like than others, > we have a natural tendency to go for the more SAE-like way -- it certainly facilitates > communication. I just think that this natural tendency should not be elevated to the status > of normative good style. Can't we actively notice these behaviors and work against them? That is what Pierre was doing, in trying to move away from using SE and FA to simulate Englishistic word ordering. By the way, concerning your example, I don't know why Jay said he was kidding. We use "le broda cu brode" because it has the fewest syllables. The language should make the easiest choice a non-SAE one,; then we'll see if people follow the natural rhythm of the language, or struggle to clumsily maintain SAE. Oh that's right: that's the case currently with SE and FA, isn't it? In your example the only version with the same count is "da broda je brode"; did you not think of it because you too are soaking in SAE? And if the facilitation of communication conflicts with the Lojbanistic avoidance (or drift) from SAE, then dumbing down the discourse to improve communication should be avoided, and readers and listeners should be exercised. -- The tao that can be tar(1)ed is not the entire Tao. The path that can be specified is not the Full Path.