From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Jan 28 07:44:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 28 Jan 2002 15:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 2826 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 15:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m12.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2002 15:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 15:44:34 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:18:31 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:44:09 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:43:37 +0000 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Bible translation style question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Xod: On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, And Rosta wrote: [...] #By the way, concerning your example, I don't know why Jay said he was #kidding. We use "le broda cu brode" because it has the fewest syllables. #The language should make the easiest choice a non-SAE one,;=20 It doesn't, though; or, it is largely accidental whether or not the shortes= t form is SAE-like. More on my views on syllable-count later. #then we'll see #if people follow the natural rhythm of the language, or struggle to #clumsily maintain SAE.=20 I don't agree that SAE-style is clumsy. #In your example the only version with the same count is "da broda je #brode"; did you not think of it because you too are soaking in SAE? I didn't think of it because I have never bothered learning the connectives= properly. #And if the facilitation of communication conflicts with the Lojbanistic #avoidance (or drift) from SAE, then dumbing down the discourse to=20 #improve communication should be avoided, and readers and listeners=20 #should be exercised. This has to be a matter for individual choice, doesn't it. A lot of Lojbani= sts are first and foremost interested in communicating with the language. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't keep on being the prime defender of Loglan's Whorfian aims. --And.