From xod@sixgirls.org Thu Jan 31 06:49:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 14:49:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 65663 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 14:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 14:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 14:49:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0VEnkq18159 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:49:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:49:45 -0500 (EST) To: lojban Subject: Re: UI for 'possible' (was: Re: [lojban] Bible translation style question) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1138703 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, And Rosta wrote: > >>> Adam Raizen 01/30/02 11:31pm >>> > #la xod. cusku di'e > #> You're stepping close to the heresy that certain brivla can be > represented > #> with UI. Welcome! > #I'm not sure that I accept that 'ui' is exactly the same as 'sei gleki'. > > Indeed not. 'ui' is an expression of emotion; an uttered smile. 'Sei > gleki' is a metalinguistic comment that is propositional in nature but > does not contribute to the truth conditions of the sentence. And ui, while not propositional (because the definition of "propositional" used on this list is completely arbitrary), doesn't necessarily affect the truth value. And, to utter "sei gleki" is an expression of an emotional state. About the only thing that can defensibly be said is that "gleki" is a brivla while "ui" is not. -- The tao that can be tar(1)ed is not the entire Tao. The path that can be specified is not the Full Path.