From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Thu Jan 31 07:07:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 31 Jan 2002 15:07:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 31602 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2002 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:41:39 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:07:31 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:07:05 +0000 To: lojban Subject: Re: UI for 'possible' (was: Re: [lojban] Bible translation style question) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Xod: #On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, And Rosta wrote: #> Indeed not. 'ui' is an expression of emotion; an uttered smile. 'Sei #> gleki' is a metalinguistic comment that is propositional in nature but #> does not contribute to the truth conditions of the sentence. # #And ui, while not propositional (because the definition of "propositional" #used on this list is completely arbitrary),=20 AFAIK the definition used on this list is the usual one =3D "has a truth va= lue". #doesn't necessarily affect the truth value.=20 The prototypical UI doesn't affect it at all, though of course the selmaho includes some that do affect truth values. #And, to utter "sei gleki" is an expression of an emotional state. Assuming that like me you are maintaining a terminological distinction=20 between "expression" and "description", then "sei gleki" describes a=20 state of happiness but does not intrinsically express a state of happiness; "ui" is the exact opposite. --And.