From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Feb 01 10:30:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 1 Feb 2002 18:30:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 50182 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2002 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 18:30:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g11IUTj07923 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:30:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:30:28 -0500 (EST) To: lojban Subject: RE: Truth Value of UI (was: Re: UI for 'possible' (was: Re: [lojban] Bibletranslation style question) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1138703 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, And Rosta wrote: > Xod: > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, And Rosta wrote: > > > > > Xod: > > > > How do you intend to prove to me that ".ui" lacks a truth value? > > Maybe someone will come up with further arguments, but I offer this: > the reasoning that would give ui a truth value would also give > smiles and frowns truth values, and could be further pursued to > give smoke a truth value (smoke is true iff there is fire; from > the presence of smoke one can deduce the presence of fire). It leads > to a reductio ad absurdum, whereby the valid and useful notion of > propositionality is destroyed. ".ui" is an utterance; a symbol intended to exchange meaning. Is smoke? If we're arranged that smoke has a certain meaning, and the signal is sent but the condition to which it maps is not met, the smoke is a lie. -- The tao that can be tar(1)ed is not the entire Tao. The path that can be specified is not the Full Path.