From xod@sixgirls.org Sun Feb 03 19:15:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Feb 2002 03:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 42968 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 03:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m4.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2002 03:15:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (216.27.131.50) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 03:15:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g143Fmt10735 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:15:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:15:47 -0500 (EST) To: lojban Subject: RE: Truth Value of UI (was: Re: UI for 'possible' (was: Re: [lojban] Bibletranslation style question) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1138703 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Craig wrote: > If you feel this way, then you at least imply that a footprint has a truth > value! If I already agreed that a puff of smoke can have a truth value, do you think I'll hesitate to claim the same about a footprint? What gives it its truth value is nothing more than the awareness that it will be interpreted by someone as meaning anything. > >I haven't agreed that UI has a truth value, but if you are happy with > >what I said then presumably all we disagree about is what counts as > >a truth value. Certainly "real" and "fake" are not to my mind the > >same as "true" and "false". > > However, since 'true' and 'real' are interchangeable in some dialects of > English, as are 'fake' and 'false', speakers of these dialects whorfishly > tend not to distinguish. But now that you mention it, there is a real > difference - the footprint isn't real (it isn't actually a footprint), but > it isn't false (it expresses nothing, true or false). It expresses something if it was intended to mean something, and it was perceived to mean something. -- The tao that can be tar(1)ed is not the entire Tao. The path that can be specified is not the Full Path.