From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Mon Feb 11 07:55:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 15:55:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 18562 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 15:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 15:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 15:55:19 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:54:32 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:53:56 +0000 To: jjllambias , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] tautologies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810630 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin >>> Jorge Llambias 02/09/02 10:03pm >>> #la pycyn cusku di'e #>I hated it, for all the reasons that I dislike this one -- a free floatin= g #>indirect question doesn't make any sense at all and doesn't have a truth #>value, so can't be atached truth functionally. #But you're approaching this backwards. You say: "{makau broda} #is an indirect question and therefore it only makes sense in #subordinate clauses. I refuse therefore to consider what it might #mean as a free floating clause." I want to say: "We more or less #understand what {makau broda} means as a subordinate clause, but #in Lojban it is also grammatical as a free floating clause. Is #there a possible generlization of the meaning so as to cover this #case, or are we forced to declare it nonsense?" As I just said in a message of 2 minutes ago, you need to ask the same question about ce'u. Also, although your question is legitimate, I think you can construe pc as answering your question in the negative. #How do you say in Lojban "I buy it whatever it costs"? "I buy it ije jetnu fa ro jetnu du'u it costs ma kau" --And.