From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 15:13:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 11 Feb 2002 23:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 91617 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 23:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2002 23:13:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.179) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:13:23 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.51 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:13:23 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] tautologies Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:13:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2002 23:13:23.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4245F50:01C1B351] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.51] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e >#"We more or less >#understand what {makau broda} means as a subordinate clause, but >#in Lojban it is also grammatical as a free floating clause. Is >#there a possible generlization of the meaning so as to cover this >#case, or are we forced to declare it nonsense?" > >As I just said in a message of 2 minutes ago, you need to ask the >same question about ce'u. Ok, but the answer may not be the same. {kau} takes us from an incomplete bridi to an unspecified completion. {ce'u} takes us from an incomplete bridi to a property _of something_. I don't know what to do with a dangling property, but I do know what to do with a dangling unspecified completion of an incomplete bridi. I wouldn't know what to do with a floating ke'a-clause either. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com