From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Feb 13 15:59:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 13 Feb 2002 23:59:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 96080 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 23:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2002 23:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.146) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 23:59:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:59:08 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.49 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:59:08 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] tautologies Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:59:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2002 23:59:08.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CE505A0:01C1B4EA] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.49] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e >Also, how would you distinguish between > >Jane knows who went > >and > >Jane knows that whoever went, she will still go herself > >? Ouch! Yes, that's a problem. I think it has to be something like: la djein djuno le du'u romu'eiku ge makau gi dy klama Jane knows that: in every possible world, whoever goes she goes. (This does not say that in every possible world Jane knows who goes.) It would seem then that {romu'ei} will be necessary for main clause q-ever as well... >Lastly, if kau is to have a scope-sensitive interpretation, such that >it has scope over the bridi it occurs in, will pau also have scope- >sensitive interpretation, or will pau always have scope over the >whole sentence, regardless of whether it is stuck within an >embedded clause? Interesting. That would give us a way to cover what pc calls true indirect questions, "he asked whether...", etc. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.