From pycyn@aol.com Sat Feb 16 12:01:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 20:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 42244 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 20:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 20:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d10.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 20:01:33 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.fb.21c66f16 (30951) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:01:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:01:30 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Subjunctives and worlds To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.21c66f16.29a0149a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_fb.21c66f16.29a0149a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 1:12:43 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > I'm not sure the reference to possible worlds that {mu'ei} > makes necessarily has to be in the object language. It > appears in the metalanguage explaining how it works, but > there is no need for the speakers of the language to > think of it in terms of worlds anymore than we do when we > use the subjunctive. > Well, the combination with {ro} and {su'o} -- and the potential for the rest of PA -- suggests that *something* is being talked about, even if it does not go into details about what it is. Our subjunctives use only termporal notions, which we already have, or events, which we already have in Lojban. --part1_fb.21c66f16.29a0149a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 1:12:43 PM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


I'm not sure the reference to possible worlds that {mu'ei}
makes necessarily has to be in the object language. It
appears in the metalanguage explaining how it works, but
there is no need for the speakers of the language to
think of it in terms of worlds anymore than we do when we
use the subjunctive.


Well, the combination with {ro} and {su'o} -- and the potential for the rest of PA -- suggests that *something* is being talked about, even if it does not go into details about what it is.  Our subjunctives use only termporal notions, which we already have, or events, which we already have in Lojban. --part1_fb.21c66f16.29a0149a_boundary--