From pycyn@aol.com Sat Feb 16 15:50:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 16 Feb 2002 23:50:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 3676 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 23:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2002 23:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 23:50:34 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.132.9332166 (4323) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:50:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <132.9332166.29a04a3d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:50:21 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Non-logical AND in Tanru? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_132.9332166.29a04a3d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_132.9332166.29a04a3d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 4:59:53 PM Central Standard Time, thanatos@dim.com writes: > >But the > >ones I was mainly focusing on were ones like {cmalu xanto} where the > object > >that is the {cmalu} cannot be isolated from the {xanto}, without problems; > > > Well, in a contrived example, if we were sorting our menagerie into two > groups, one with a large number of total animals and one with a small > number of total animals, the way in which the elephant is cmalu may be > that it belongs to the smaller group. > You have a twisted mind -- Lojban like that in a user. Yeah, this would work. <>that is, the broda does have its places filled implicitly but not in >isolation. I took the isolation claim to be the likely next step in your >reasoning and wanted to stop it beforehand. The places of broda are filled by zo'e, which draws from a larger context than just the current bridi, as does the co'e implicit in the tanru. We're still claiming {ta poi xanto cu co'e zo'e poi cmalu} implicitly with {ta cmalu xanto}, though.> Remote but OK. Disambiguation has a lot of work to do here, probably changing the structure in the process. --part1_132.9332166.29a04a3d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 4:59:53 PM Central Standard Time, thanatos@dim.com writes:


>But the
>ones I was mainly focusing on were ones like {cmalu xanto} where the object
>that is the {cmalu} cannot be isolated from the {xanto}, without problems;

Well, in a contrived example, if we were sorting our menagerie into two
groups, one with a large number of total animals and one with a small
number of total animals, the way in which the elephant is cmalu may be
that it belongs to the smaller group. 


You have a twisted mind -- Lojban like that in a user.  Yeah, this would work.

<>that is, the broda does have its places filled implicitly but not in
>isolation.  I took the isolation claim to be the likely next step in your
>reasoning and wanted to stop it beforehand.

The places of broda are filled by zo'e, which draws from a larger
context than just the current bridi, as does the co'e implicit in the
tanru.  We're still claiming {ta poi xanto cu co'e zo'e poi cmalu}
implicitly with {ta cmalu xanto}, though.>

Remote but OK. Disambiguation has a lot of work to do here, probably changing the structure in the process.
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