From pycyn@aol.com Sat Feb 16 17:19:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 17 Feb 2002 01:19:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 3515 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 01:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m10.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2002 01:19:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 01:19:42 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.170.8f2c3cb (4588) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:19:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <170.8f2c3cb.29a05f25@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:19:33 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Linguistic universals and Lojban To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_170.8f2c3cb.29a05f25_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_170.8f2c3cb.29a05f25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 5:57:02 PM Central Standard Time, phma@webjockey.net writes: > Here's the 231st: > > If constituent order is rigid (or if there is no case inflection), then the > > gradation of adjectives is expressed by function words; if constituent > order > is flexible (or if there is case inflection), then the gradation of > adjectives is expressed inflectionally. > > If I understand this correctly, constituent order is semirigid in Lojban; > there is an order such that cases need not be marked. There is no case > inflection; rather, cases are marked by words preceding the sumti. But the > gradation of "adjectives" is expressed by suffixes (-mau, -me'a, -rai). Am > I > misunderstanding the rule, or does Lojban violate the rule? > Lojban seems right on track, semirigid order, "case" dealt with by something like function words, so you expect that gradation is going to be somewhere between inflection and function words, and derivation fills that bill pretty well (we might want to check other cases to see if this analogy holds). --part1_170.8f2c3cb.29a05f25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/16/2002 5:57:02 PM Central Standard Time, phma@webjockey.net writes:


Here's the 231st:

If constituent order is rigid (or if there is no case inflection), then the
gradation of adjectives is expressed by function words; if constituent order
is flexible (or if there is case inflection), then the gradation of
adjectives is expressed inflectionally.

If I understand this correctly, constituent order is semirigid in Lojban;
there is an order such that cases need not be marked. There is no case
inflection; rather, cases are marked by words preceding the sumti. But the
gradation of "adjectives" is expressed by suffixes (-mau, -me'a, -rai). Am I
misunderstanding the rule, or does Lojban violate the rule?


Lojban seems right on track, semirigid order, "case" dealt with by something like function words, so you expect that gradation is going to be somewhere between inflection and function words, and derivation fills that bill pretty well (we might want to check other cases to see if this analogy holds).
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