From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Mar 01 08:21:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 1 Mar 2002 16:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23781 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2002 16:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2002 16:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.190) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2002 16:21:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:21:52 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 16:21:52 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautologies Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 16:21:52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:21:52.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[32A08130:01C1C13D] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e > > {me'o abu} and {me'o pa} respectively. > >But letters are not (or are only incidentally) mathematical expressions, >why >ship them off to that Siberia -- where few have dared to go? And those who >have declare it a vast wasteland, without charm or useful resources. I think we should remove from {me'o} any connection to "mathematical". It is in selma'o LI, so it is not really part of the MEX wasteland. We have {la djan}, {abu} and {li pa} to refer to John, Alice, and the number one, i.e. that's how we use the name "John", the pronoun "A" and the numeral "1". We also have {zo djan}, {me'o abu} and {me'o pa} to refer to the name "John", the letter "A" and the numeral "1", to mention them, not use them. The symmetry is not complete only because {abu} does not require an article to be used. {li abu} is another use for the letter "a", this time not as a pronoun but as the value of a variable, although I'm not very clear what type of variable this is supposed to be and how it is different from a pronoun. >But this kind of systemic ambiguity that is >now said to be doctrine is pretty much at variance with the clear intention >of otherparts of the language -- the shift keys, for example. I've always found the shift key words totally weird. >But won't {ny y'ybu} >turn into some weird combination of a variable and character? {ny y'ybu} is another pronoun, {N'}, a pronoun like {A} or {IBM} or {R2D2}. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com