From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Mar 02 07:11:12 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 2 Mar 2002 15:11:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 31785 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2002 15:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m6.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2002 15:11:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.53) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 15:11:12 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:11:12 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.8 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:11:11 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautologies Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:11:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2002 15:11:12.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[7D6D77D0:01C1C1FC] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.8] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la pycyn cusku di'e > > Consider the text of each chapter of a book. Then the mass > > of texts from all chapters are the text of the book, they > > collaborate to be the text of the book. > >This is not obvious, albeit plausible. How do the details go? I've no idea. Pure intuition on my part. >and read out /li pa sumji li re li re/. Then I write {A prami mi} >and read out /abu prami mi/.> > >Well, let's see: they refer to the same thing (the letter "a", the number >one), one is an abbreviation for the other. "li 1" and "li pa" refer to the same thing yes (to the number one), one is an abbreviation for the other. "abu" and "A" also refer to the same thing (to Alice), one is an abbreviation for the other. None of them refers to a letter. >Not in Refgram or anywhere else >I've found -- and a dangerous practice where every mark already has a >meaning. Where on the wiki? If the author of the proposal could find it, please post the address! I get lost in the Wiki, I just look at the Recent Changes to see what's going on there, but this proposal was from some months ago. >using them.> > >Well, you say {MI} means {my ibu} which looks suspiciously like a >descriptive >reference, but the reference is to {mi}. No, there is no reference to the first person pronoun {mi} in {my ibu}. {my ibu} is a third person pronoun, which might refer, for example, to Mary Ingalls in some context. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.