From rob@twcny.rr.com Sun Mar 03 08:39:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 16:39:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 2182 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 16:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.171) by m11.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 16:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout5.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.122) by mta3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 16:39:54 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0 [24.92.226.74]) by mailout5.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id g23GdqM14726 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:39:51 -0500 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16hZ1b-0000H1-00 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 11:39:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:39:51 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautologies Message-ID: <20020303163951.GA807@twcny.rr.com> References: <10c.dd27195.29b394cb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10c.dd27195.29b394cb@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2572649 X-Yahoo-Profile: squeekybobo On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:01:31AM -0500, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/3/2002 12:28:15 AM Central Standard Time, > rob@twcny.rr.com writes: > > > > Do you have any evidence at all that letters are intended to refer to > > themselves? That when Alice in Wonderland uses .abu., it's not actually > > referring to Alice, just the letter A? I bet the other letters are > > jealous that _they_ don't get to have adventures in Wonderland. > > > > I don't think the letter refer to themselves, I think the lerfu words refer > to the lerfu. And my evidence is that "Alice" would be spelled {abu ly ibu > cy ebu}. And you wouldn't want {abu ly ibu cy ebu} to evaluate, so you'd put a {me'o} in front. > Now, what the letters so refered to do is another issue (I should > add that the problem is roughly the same in English, but Lojban is supposed > to get around these things as a "logical language.") > > > > No, {a} is a sumti conjunction, {ai} is in UI, {n} is not a Lojban > expression. You're having fun mixing up levels, aren't you? Fine: any string of BY, including (any selma'o)+BU, which appears outside of mekso, is a pronoun, and so it refers to the referent of the pronoun. Do you agree with this? -- la rab.spir noi sarji zo gumri