From cowan@ccil.org Sun Mar 03 08:41:05 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 16:41:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 63902 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 16:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 16:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 16:41:04 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16hZ2n-0002jq-00 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 11:41:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] go'i: repeated referents or just sumti? In-Reply-To: from Jorge Llambias at "Mar 2, 2002 01:35:07 am" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:41:05 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=212516 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan Jorge Llambias scripsit: > > la tanatos cusku di'e > > >Actually, the cardinality is part of the description. Last paragraph of > >page 131: > > > > Note that the inner quantifier of "le", even when exact, need not be > > truthful: "le ci nanmu" means "what I describe as three men", not > > "three of what I describe as men". > > I certainly agree that it is not "three of what I describe as men", > that's "ci le nanmu", but "what I describe as three men" is too > vague. It really means "each of those I describe as three men". Even though the inner quantifier is within the LE...ku, I think it's always veridical. Of course, what counts as three of some kinds of things may be somewhat subjective. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. --_The Hobbit_