From a.rosta@ntlworld.com Sun Mar 03 13:41:03 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 3 Mar 2002 21:41:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 93057 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.45) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 21:41:02 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.91.199]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020303214100.GLPZ7206.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:41:00 +0000 To: Subject: RE: sets, masses, &c. (was: RE: [lojban] Re: [jboske] RE: Anything but tautol... Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <118.d79ddfe.29b3e251@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77248971 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin pc: > a.rosta@ntlworld.com writes: > Sequences can have properties derived from the members but not > shared with the members. E.g. "The alphabet takes 1 minute to > recite". > > But this is true of both sets and masses, so not a useful way to fold > sequences into one or the other of them. Why the "but"? My penultimate message, which began this thread, said that both sets and masses could be sequences -- i.e. could be ordered. (Maybe you're trying to address a different question, the meaning of the Lojban technical/glossing term 'sequence'?) As it happens, though, I'm not sure that sequential sets have properties derived from their members. To my mind that is the basic distinction between sets and groups/teams. --And.