From thanatos@dim.com Tue Mar 05 10:40:26 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: thanatos@dim.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: unknown); 5 Mar 2002 18:40:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 60738 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 19:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2002 19:03:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO supernova.dimensional.com) (206.124.0.11) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from p30.3c04.pm.dimcom.net (p30.3c04.pm.dimcom.net [206.124.3.190]) by supernova.dimensional.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g24J3QX01467 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:03:26 -0700 (MST) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] go'i: repeated referents or just sumti? Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: <82h78ugge4a8lcufq3f94migjm8mdplt6o@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: EWC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45881577 X-Yahoo-Profile: thandim2000 On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:41:05 -0500 (EST), John Cowan wrote: >> >Actually, the cardinality is part of the description. Last paragraph of >> >page 131: >> > >> > Note that the inner quantifier of "le", even when exact, need not b= e >> > truthful: "le ci nanmu" means "what I describe as three men", not >> > "three of what I describe as men". >Even though the inner quantifier is within the LE...ku, I think it's >always veridical. Always veridical but not necessarily truthful? :) >Of course, what counts as three of some kinds of >things may be somewhat subjective. The next sentence of that paragraph is: This follows from the rule that what is described by a "le"=20 description represents the speaker's viewpoint rather than the=20 objective way things are. --=20 EWC